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#64690 - 05/05/12 01:59 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: skl]
Aya Offline
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Registered: 11/18/04
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Thank you Susan. I don't post in threads where MPNA posts anymore due to obvious reasons evident in this thread, but please do know that I am reading what you are writing and thankful that there is someone involved who is relaying to us the actual facts in a calm, informative, non-combative, non-distorted and non-manipulative manner. Thank you very much for clarifying. I hope you will continue to pop in from time to time.

-Aya
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#65027 - 05/28/12 02:54 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: Aya]
Advocacy group Offline
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Registered: 08/03/10
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Loc: New Paltz,Marbletown,Gardiner,...
Please check out the letters and documents that Susan has made available. They are worth looking at and will confirm that the preserve is trying to use the pavilion for gatherings of 380 people with unlimited frequency. Please write to the preserve and tell them this is unacceptable.

Thanks, MPNA
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#65028 - 05/28/12 04:27 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: Advocacy group]
retroscree Offline
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Registered: 06/29/11
Posts: 397
Originally Posted By: Advocacy group
They are worth looking at and will confirm that the preserve is trying to use the pavilion for gatherings of 380 people with unlimited frequency.

Through out this thread, a figure of 280 has been cited, including by you. Now it's 380? When will you bump it up to an even 500? Please tell us this was a typo and not an exaggeration intended to inflame.

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#65029 - 05/28/12 05:10 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: retroscree]
Advocacy group Offline
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Loc: New Paltz,Marbletown,Gardiner,...
Originally Posted By: retroscree
Originally Posted By: Advocacy group
They are worth looking at and will confirm that the preserve is trying to use the pavilion for gatherings of 380 people with unlimited frequency.

Through out this thread, a figure of 280 has been cited, including by you. Now it's 380? When will you bump it up to an even 500? Please tell us this was a typo and not an exaggeration intended to inflame.



RetroMarcC,

We understand it's hard for you to really know what's going on in the Gunks being that you're from Sandy Utah and have no stake in the outcome. But once again we will try and walk you through this. The 280 figure was an earlier figure that the Mohonk preserve used in an earlier meeting with neighbors and the 380 figure is a later proposal that the attorney for the neighbors Responds to in his letter to Glenn Hoagland and Jim Hall based on a more recent meeting. You got it now?

Thanks, MPNA
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#65030 - 05/28/12 05:16 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: Advocacy group]
Advocacy group Offline
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Registered: 08/03/10
Posts: 653
Loc: New Paltz,Marbletown,Gardiner,...
Hey RetroMarcC,

what's up with referring to yourself in the plural when you are trying to attack people. You frequently use the form "us" or "we" as if to bolster your position. Or do you have multiple personalities? Just curious as many of your posts here and on other forums repeat the same error.... With about 30 seconds of searching I came up with the following MarcCisms

We can add....
protect early and often

Don, we just don't give a rats ass.

What? You're a 95 yr old British guy? Oh. Maybe you mean more modern. Odd, we don't see your name on any FAs or FFAs in the 60's in Yosemite, Boulder, or the Gunks.
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#65032 - 05/28/12 05:46 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: Advocacy group]
Advocacy group Offline
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Registered: 08/03/10
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Loc: New Paltz,Marbletown,Gardiner,...
A few more:

Ding! Wrong answer. You're comparing a recreational activity to a business, with no commonality between the two (although recreational demolition has a certain appeal).
Thanks for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you.

If you spew the chemtrail hoax, then anything else you may say is probably nonsense as well. Same for fluoridation of water and any of your other irrational phobias. But seeing that you've basically hijacked a discussion forum with few users as your personal plaything, it probably doesn't matter. Does this mean we can post random shit and paranoia in any topic?
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#65055 - 05/29/12 10:01 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: Advocacy group]
Ralph Offline
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Registered: 02/01/07
Posts: 142
Uh oh. 380 people was the same number they told Max Yasgur to expect.

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#65059 - 05/30/12 03:00 AM Re: New campground planned [Re: Ralph]
crimpy Offline
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Registered: 07/02/11
Posts: 331
Loc: Wawarsing
watch out for those campground types...they often travel as families!

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#65061 - 05/30/12 01:31 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: crimpy]
pda Offline
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Registered: 08/30/01
Posts: 621
Loc: Bergen County NJ
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The 280 figure was an earlier figure that the Mohonk preserve used in an earlier meeting with neighbors and the 380 figure is a later proposal that the attorney for the neighbors Responds to in his letter to Glenn Hoagland and Jim Hall based on a more recent meeting. You got it now?

Yes I do - as you've told us here, its hearsay from unreliable sources. Thanks MPNA!

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Rather, they've asked only for limits on public events at the pavilion especially ones bringing non-campers to the site including their size, frequency, etc.

I hope we can all agree with Susan that this is a good idea.

Here is what the plan actually says about the pavilion (Chapter 6):
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A small bathhouse with showers, toilets and laundry facilities will be constructed in this general entrance area, along with a small attached pavilion. A fire ring for patron use will be installed adjacent to this pavilion, since individual campfires at each campsite will be prohibited.

I'm guessing that the usage estimates being thrown around are in some way multiplying the maximum possible number of guests per site with the total number of sites to be built.

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#65063 - 05/30/12 03:52 PM Re: New campground planned [Re: pda]
Rickster Online   content
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Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 853
Loc: Orange Cty, NY
If I remember correctly, when then American Alpine Club president Jim Donini introduced the plan for this campground to an Mohonk Preserver audience a few seasons back the pavilion was intended to offer a central area within the campground for campers to come together for socializing, cooking, eating etc.

This question. Now a few years later, what is the AAC's current roll in the development of this campground?

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