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#65556 - 06/21/12 01:54 PM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: Mark Heyman]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Heyman
Originally Posted By: Advocacy group
fire does not play a role in Northeast forest ecology...MPNA


One search first click came up with this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/nyregion/21minnewaska.html

Up thread are a number of links that clearly refute mipna's assertion - but since they support the Preserve's position on the need for prescribed burns, he chooses to not believe the scientific evidence. It's an attitude that basically says "If I didn't see it occur, then it didn't happen."

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#65557 - 06/21/12 02:28 PM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: Mark Heyman]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Heyman
Originally Posted By: Advocacy group
fire does not play a role in Northeast forest ecology...MPNA


One search first click came up with this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/nyregion/21minnewaska.html

Originally Posted By: Advocacy group
"we learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".


Most of us would agree that there are far more authoritative sources of information.



Oh you must mean Jon Bon Jovi eh Jersey Boy?
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#65558 - 06/21/12 02:32 PM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: Advocacy group]
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Fire ecology is not even mentioned in your nyt link RetroMarcC. Nice try though!
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#65585 - 06/22/12 12:00 AM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: Advocacy group]
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I was just quoting what you wrote.
Heres the entire post;

Originally Posted By: Advocacy group
Originally Posted By: Mark Heyman
Since you have just agreed that MPNA homes in Gardiner are at risk of prescibed burn started in Utah please harrass people there.


perhaps this Springsteen quote is more apropos?

"we learned more from a three minute record than we ever learned in school".

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#65590 - 06/22/12 12:50 AM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: Advocacy group]
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Fire ecology is not even mentioned in your nyt link RetroMarcC. Nice try though!

Not my link. Your reading comprehension in this and the WhiteCliff thread is at an all time low.
And why do you keep calling me RetroMarcC?

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#65698 - 06/25/12 12:01 AM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: retroscree]
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Rob, this is from Gabe Chapin. "Oak forests across the Northeast, including those in the Shawangunks, are failing to regenerate as they once did," said Gabe Chapin, Land Steward for The Nature Conservancy's Shawangunk Ridge Program. "Some scientists attribute this lack of regeneration to the absence of fire,"

Your PM is at odds with what Gabe Chapin who directs all of the controlled burns in the gunks says.
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#65699 - 06/25/12 12:03 AM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: Advocacy group]
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Rob, here is one of your quotes:

You can draw any conclusion and opinion you want about prescribed burning and it's effectivenes versus cost and risk. Many people who are learned in the subject do, but everyone who does have some knowledge about natural ecosystem cycles agrees on fire's role in it. You can't just dismiss the science because of your social or political view. The science is indisputable.
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#65700 - 06/25/12 12:07 AM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: Advocacy group]
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And another qoute from RangerRob:

Fire is one element in a healthy ecosystem. Every ecologist on the planet knows this.

This seems to be at odds with what Gabe Chapin says and many others as well. Any thoughts?
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#65732 - 06/25/12 10:40 PM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: retroscree]
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And why do you keep calling me RetroMarcC?

MarcC, who doesn't post here anymore, has a better sense of humor than the acerbic Retroscree.
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#65734 - 06/25/12 11:38 PM Re: Prescribed Burns [Re: oenophore]
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good show, that just may be the case my good man.

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