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#66184 - 08/16/12 02:35 AM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: RangerRob]
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only when 1. the primary recipient of said violence is left alive, and 2. there's evidence...
shocked
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#66185 - 08/16/12 03:57 AM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: empicard]
Coppertone Offline
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Registered: 08/17/00
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It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

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#66188 - 08/16/12 06:02 AM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: Coppertone]
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I am totally with Rob on this one. The trouble with decent people trying violence as a solution is that they are rarely up for the escalations that indecent or unstable people are all too willing to engage in.

Call the Preserve Headquarters at (845) 255-0919. Put in in yer cell phone where you can find it. Ask for ranger help asap. Put in a 911 call. Make sure the operator understands there is illegal activity with possibly fatal consequences going on. If this is an ongoing problem, the police have to keep hearing about it. If the offenders can be kept there until authorities arrive, so much the better. Get pictures of them if possible. If they can be followed to their vehicle, get make/model/plate numbers.

Beat them up and suddenly you're the criminal, Sparky. Plus it's a tossup whether they leave for good or come back for revenge---unless of course you kill them, in which case your life is over too.

In any case, those of you who have had this experience need to urgently contact the Preserve. It may be time for some signage, and they may need more of a ranger presence up there.

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#66192 - 08/16/12 02:37 PM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: rg@ofmc]
retroscree Offline
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Originally Posted By: rg@ofmc
It may be time for some signage, and they may need more of a ranger presence up there.

This. Although I dislike signs, it seems that some areas do need them - top of Cathedral Ledge and Half Dome for example - since throwing stuff off the top with climbers below is usually the result of stupidity and ignorance, not menace.

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#66194 - 08/16/12 05:08 PM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: retroscree]
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If we had a "Don't throw things off" sign, visiting climbers could have the same souvenir photos as other places. So - make sure the signs are positioned in a way as to take advantage of the scenic view towards Skytop!

Or maybe a variation of the May Encounter sign... "You may encounter violently angry climbers if you throw objects off the cliff." And then in smaller size font, "Thrown objects have the potential to hit climbers below, which may injure or kill them. DON'T throw things!"

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#66195 - 08/16/12 06:49 PM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: TerrieM]
crimpy Offline
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Registered: 07/02/11
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Loc: Wawarsing
tighter control of the overlook parking lot may help as i doubt these teens paid any day use fee.

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#66203 - 08/17/12 02:01 AM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: crimpy]
donald perry Offline
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Registered: 06/27/11
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I did not post anything about this before because I was not surprised. In years past there have always been people throwing beer bottles and rocks off the top of there. I think for the most part this is mostly just kids who really have nothing to do with their life and have no real understand of rock climbing. They just want to throw stuff off of cliffs. So, instinctively I have always had funny feelings about climbing under fat city, especially if I hear people laughing on top of the cliff. It happens, especially there.
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#66205 - 08/17/12 03:05 AM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: donald perry]
The Lisa Offline
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We found a beer can when topping out on Te Dum this weekend. It was on a ledge accessible by down climbing so seemed like it was tossed from higher up. What made it worse is that is was a Miller Lite can.
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#66206 - 08/17/12 09:42 AM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: The Lisa]
oenophore Online   confused
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What made it worse is that is was a Miller Lite can.

Why?
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#66207 - 08/17/12 02:19 PM Re: Almost killed on Yellow Ridge 6.28.12 [Re: oenophore]
Smike Offline
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Originally Posted By: oenophore
What made it worse is that is was a Miller Lite can.

Why?


Um... because it tastes like ass?

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