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#6581 - 04/01/04 10:53 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: GeeVee]
cori Offline
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Registered: 07/20/01
Posts: 1357
Maybe the only one in shorts?

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#6582 - 06/27/04 10:04 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: GeeVee]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 1916
Loc: Los Angeles
Quote:

Which one is the erstwhile Mr. LeBlanc?




I'm the guy behind the camera.

This might sound insane. But we are actually reshooting the entire pilot all over again in September. (Recasting one of the lead actors.)

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#6583 - 06/27/04 10:34 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: chazman]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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Loc: Los Angeles
And just 'cause I'm not around Gunks.com as much, I don't see why we have to retire this thread.

Plenty of people out there not climbing at the Gunks.

Here's what I was up to yesterday. Trying to get ready for a Valley trip with Chazman. The Power Wall along Malibu Creek. Climber on left is hanging on Power Station 10b, while ex-Gunkie Doug Hunter gets ready to lead Rolling Blackout 10d.

While there are seven good sport routes on the Power Wall, Rolling Blackout turned out to be by far the best outing. To the right of the first bolt, we found a fun V2 start that sends you straight up into the crux of RB.

Good pocket pulling! Bring tape.

Power Wall PHOTO

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#6584 - 06/27/04 10:43 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: LesterLeBlanc]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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Registered: 03/06/02
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Loc: Los Angeles
Maybe it is time to retire this thread ...

I'm not sure what everyone else's experience is ... but I'm being told that you cannot attach a file greater than 5000 bytes!

Yo, Evan. Has the site run out of space for photos?

I couldn't even link a photo using the "Image" UBB code. Had to go for a straight URL link.

Hmmm.

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#6585 - 06/28/04 11:59 AM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: LesterLeBlanc]
chazman Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
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If you drop Evan a PM he's (usually) glad to up your photo space on the server. But that aside... this thread (and the Gunks Photo Du Jour) were the most active threads ever. Evan takes the time to set up a really great photo gallery and (for the most part) no one uses it! What gives?

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#6586 - 06/28/04 05:50 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: chazman]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 1916
Loc: Los Angeles
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If you drop Evan a PM he's (usually) glad to up your photo space on the server. But that aside... this thread (and the Gunks Photo Du Jour) were the most active threads ever. Evan takes the time to set up a really great photo gallery and (for the most part) no one uses it! What gives?




I'm just trying to figure out the whole thing. I went to the Photo Gallery and it said that I had already uploaded over 9Mbytes when I haven't uploaded a single photo. So ... I'm wondering if all the previous photos I put up on this thread have been counted against my total limit.

Cause right now I'm 7Mbytes OVER my limit. Which apparently means I can't upload any photos at all ... in the threads or in the gallery.


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#6587 - 06/28/04 06:28 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: chazman]
MarcC Offline
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Registered: 07/10/00
Posts: 3532
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Evan takes the time to set up a really great photo gallery and (for the most part) no one uses it! What gives?



I'm not sure folks aren't using it as there seems to be quite a few photos added after the implementation of the gallery software. IOW there are more photos than just the ones that existed on the site before the software. If people aren't using it, I'd guess that the perception among the users of this forum is that the new photo software and process has reduced the overall usability and usefullness of posting photos. In short, it makes a formerly simple process a lot more complex and it somewhat dissassociates the photos from the discussion forums.

The new photo gallery software is powerful and feature laden. It addresses issues such as controlling server space, categorizing images, keeping titles and descriptions associated with images - all things that were needed. However, there is now a separate place to go to on the site to look at photos. There is more effort involved in getting the URL of a photo to add to a forum post. There is a facility to comment/discuss each photo, but it does make discussion of a category a la "whatever photo de jour" with immediately referenced images more difficult. Folks may not like this change.

Before the gallery software, you could start / reply to a thread by posting "Hey, check out this photo of <really cool route> at <great area>.", hit the "attach file" button, select a file to upload, and be done. Now, for a person unfamiliar with the new software & process, like temporarily absent Lester LeBlanc was, the task flow is:

While reading the Non-Gunks Photo De Jour thread, LLB decides to reply to a post with a new photo. He clicks on "attach file" and realizes that the size limit is now 5K. What to do? He cancels out of the reply screen and sees the "Photo Gallery" link and tries that. So....

Click on Photo Gallery
On the gallery page, click on Upload Photos
Select a Category via a drop-down list box
Select a photo from his local drive by navigating it's tree structure
Click on the Upload / Submit button
View the Add Photos Select / Configure Properties screen (and possibly realize that a list of photos can be uploaded at once)
Check and/or reselct the Category
Optionally select Optional Category 1 and Optional Category 2 (all three categories have the same items in the drop-down list - it's unclear how the main category and the optional ones interact with each other)
Add (apparently optional) Title, Description, and Keywords
Click the Process button
View a message screen that states "No more images found. Click here to return to the main menu."
Arrive at the main Photo Gallery menu screen

OK, now that the photo is uploaded, time to return to the original task - replying to a forum post with an attached photo. So LLB clicks either Main Index or Discussion from the site header, re-navigates to the correct form and topic and locates the post he wanted to reply to. He clicks on Reply, enters some text, and.......wonders how to find out the url of the image he just uploaded.

LLB navigates back to the photo gallery, clicks on the catagory he uploaded to and sees his photo there. There's info listed with the photo, but no url. He tries clicking on the photo and gets the original image which he notices has additional info and (currently empty) comments, including a UBB [img] tag with a url.

So now he copies the url to his clipboard, exits the gallery, renavigates (this would be the third time) to the discussion section, correct forum, proper topic, correct post, reenters his text (if it was extensive, did he remember to save it in a temporary doc somewhere to make the clipboard available to copy the url into?), and pastes in the UBB image reference. Finally he posts his reply.

All in all, a miserable user experience compared to what it had been. Even if a user knew the new task flow, there's a lot of extra work involved. This is NOT a matter of "user training" or "reading the instructions". It's a matter of sub-optimal design.

Given the constraints of using packaged software that can't be modified, and that this site may not even be breaking even let alone actually making money, I don't know if an improved solution exists or is worth the effort (= time = money) and I'm certainly not taking Evan to task over this. But it would sure be nice to be able to have a discussion topic that easily attaches/references images and isn't in a place separate from the disucssion forums (like the current photo comments feature).
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#6588 - 06/28/04 07:02 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: MarcC]
chazman Offline
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Registered: 02/07/02
Posts: 944
I knew someone would call me on that ... which is why I was careful to add "(for the most part)". My comment came from the observation that before the gallery there was almost a photo being added every day... but now I find myself being the top contributor ... and my stuff ain't so great. Where are all the talented photogrophers out there?

I have added a dozen or so photos since April and find the process pretty easy but maybe not as easy as the old attach and post method. However... that old photo du jour thread is getting a little time consuming to navigate since there are many comments among the photos and you don't get a thumbnail preview.

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#6589 - 06/28/04 07:19 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: MarcC]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 1916
Loc: Los Angeles
Add to all that ... I can't even upload to the Gallery. Apparently I have exceeded my limit by 7Mbytes without uploading a single photo.

I can well understand and sympathize with Evan's thankless job creating and maintaining this site. A discussion thread that is dedicated and open to photos would be great. But if a Photo Gallery is more optimal for keeping the site in working order, I'm totally down with that. I'd be happy to make posts with tags to the photos in the Gallery. But for me, two problems. Okay, three. One, as Marc detailed, it is a bit of work. Two, I can't load photos to the Gallery. Three, the Image UBB tag will not work for me. (I originally tried using it to post the Power Wall photo and I couldn't get it to take no matter what.)

The easiest solution is for people to upload a photo, and then post in the appropriate thread that they placed a new photo in the gallery and then people can click their own way over. This makes it easier on the person submitting photos and it keeps all the photos in a centralized, easily accessed area. Though it may cut down on the number of people willing to spend the extra time navigating over to the photo.

If the UBB image tag could work ... and if it was easy to create ... that would be the best of both worlds. But we don't seem to have that ease of use yet.

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#6590 - 06/28/04 07:34 PM Re: Non-Gunks Photo Du Jour [Re: LesterLeBlanc]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
Pooh-Bah

Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 1916
Loc: Los Angeles
This is a test ...



And it actually works!

And it's not too hard to do. Yay!

However, I think I would have had a helluva time figuring it out if Marc had not discovered that you have to click on the "Properties" of a photo in the Gallery and paste and copy the URL from there to the UBB tag to make it work.

Mucho gracias, Marc!

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