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#58754 - 07/14/11 01:46 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: rg@ofmc]
talus Offline
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Registered: 08/23/04
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i agree that if you solo just do it, don't talk about it, and don't do it for an audience
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#58760 - 07/14/11 03:32 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: talus]
GOclimb Offline
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Registered: 03/26/01
Posts: 2354
Loc: Boston
Yikes. Very lucky everyone was okay.

Once had a belayer drop her climber. He landed on my belayer at the base, who, had he not dropped the rope as he was knocked backwards, would have pulled me off the top of the pitch I had just led (but not built an anchor on yet.)

Beware of falling meat-bombs?

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#58765 - 07/14/11 04:51 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: GOclimb]
rg@ofmc Offline
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Registered: 12/25/99
Posts: 2454
Loc: Poughkeepsie, NY
The latest hazard at crowded crags.

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#58794 - 07/15/11 07:10 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: rg@ofmc]
phlan Offline

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Registered: 02/11/00
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Loc: Gardiner, NY
one time up in new hampshire we were up on a climb and I was belaying my second who was coming up, and a soloer came up and tried to pass her. she got upset and he was being a real jerk and I really got mad - no, furious. believe me - the thought of doing the unthinkable really did cross my mind. I have seldom been that upset.
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#58986 - 07/20/11 03:57 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: phlan]
Rickster Offline
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Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 815
Loc: Orange Cty, NY
This just in from Super T. A soloist falls from Fairview Dome and survives to walk away.
www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1550025...tm-medium=email

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#59026 - 07/20/11 05:51 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: Rickster]
rg@ofmc Offline
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Registered: 12/25/99
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Loc: Poughkeepsie, NY
Same incident described a few posts back. The link I posted is to a first-person witness account.

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#59028 - 07/20/11 05:59 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: rg@ofmc]
Rickster Offline
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Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 815
Loc: Orange Cty, NY
I thought it sounded too familiar.

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#59355 - 07/27/11 04:51 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: Rickster]
jads Offline
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Registered: 07/27/11
Posts: 1
Great thread.

One thing I haven't heard mentioned.. is that kids don't get to choose what kind of parent they have or what kind of risk/reward choices that parent makes. It is my strong belief that kids change the game. When one becomes a parent, one is obligated to prioritize the children's interests.
As in most things in life, this becomes a question of where to draw the line. No one lives risk free.
My opinions: Soloing with kids is beyond the line. Leaving a child parentless is an unacceptable risk for the benefits of soloing (which I don't discount).
Sure, people get hurt on gear, but gear saves many peoples lives also. Things can go wrong: Bachar has a accident with a weak arm, a German woman solos on an unknown route, a snake is in the hold, a rock breaks off. Not all is controllable.
With the variability in judgment, experience, gear, conditions, psychological state we need a community that encourages and promotes safety. And I think safety should be a primary factor in decision making while climbing or mountaineering.
As for the lines of people on whom others don't depend, well...like I said, a good thread. My personal advice is not to solo... much.

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#59364 - 07/27/11 09:31 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: jads]
retr2327 Offline
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Registered: 06/14/07
Posts: 108
Finally, something we can all agree on: "Soloing with kids is beyond the line."

If you must solo, leave them home.

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#59366 - 07/27/11 09:42 PM Re: Free Soloing [Re: retr2327]
TerrieM Online   content
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Registered: 05/14/09
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Loc: Gunks in Summer, Southwest in ...
At Stobly(Siberia) free-solo climbing is traditional, and a family outing.

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