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#67435 - 02/20/13 08:57 PM $10 to spare for a good cause
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I decided to join a fund raiser for the Mohonk Preserve on May 4.

If anyone wants to join me anywhere between the end of the afternoon until the finish line, that would be great. I'll probably be just hiking by then... and having company might be a fun way to get the body moving forward. Send me a PM if that is of interest.
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#67898 - 04/22/13 12:15 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Mim]
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I raised $1,390 as of this morning and I was hoping it could make it passed the $1,600 mark before the fund raiser closed on April 28th!

All of your tax-deductible donations go directly to the Mohonk Preserve and to the preservation of the Ridge!
Here's my page:
http://www.crowdrise.com/RockTheRidge/fundraiser/myriambouchard

I did most of the 50-mile course this weekend over two days (minus 2-3 miles, I got lazy... :-) so I'm feeling pretty good about my odds of doing the whole thing (with sheer determination and a healthy dose of masochism... :-)

So, if you can, please donate - thank you so MUCH !
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#67933 - 04/24/13 01:30 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Mim]
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Hmmmm. The Mohonk Preserve has a multi-million dollar visitor center and a two million dollar a year staff. Although a separate corporation, they are functionally the marketing arm as well as the tax avoidance arm of the $600 a night Mohonk Mountain House.

Having a fund raiser for the Mohonk Preserve/Mountain House is like having a bake sale for one of Donald Trump's New Jersey casinos.

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#67934 - 04/24/13 02:12 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
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i giggled at the pancake brunch sign to raise funds for wild earth.

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#67936 - 04/24/13 04:17 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
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Originally Posted By: Kent
Hmmmm. The Mohonk Preserve has a multi-million dollar visitor center and a two million dollar a year staff. Although a separate corporation, they are functionally the marketing arm as well as the tax avoidance arm of the $600 a night Mohonk Mountain House.

Having a fund raiser for the Mohonk Preserve/Mountain House is like having a bake sale for one of Donald Trump's New Jersey casinos.

Same old tired and tiresome song. If it all bugs you so much, why don't you just move somewhere far, far away from the Preserve. Preferably out of state. That was a suggestion, not a question.

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#67937 - 04/24/13 04:36 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: retroscree]
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Hey Marc, how are you? Nice to see that you are still your old acerbic self. cool

How was the skiing in the Wasatch this year? Better than last year I hope.

Edited to add:

Oh yeah, along the same lines of your suggestion, if you don't like what I have to say, why don't you just bugger off Utah.



Edited by Kent (04/24/13 04:42 PM)

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#67938 - 04/24/13 06:05 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
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Originally Posted By: Kent
Having a fund raiser for the Mohonk Preserve/Mountain House is like having a bake sale for one of Donald Trump's New Jersey casinos.


Whoops....it seems that not only did the Trump lose control of his casino company, the individual casinos are gone now too...

From the Associated Press, February 14, 2013:

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — Trump Plaza, the Boardwalk centerpiece of Donald Trump's one-time Atlantic City empire, was sold Thursday to a California company for $20 million in the cheapest of a series of bargain-basement deals for distressed gambling halls in the struggling New Jersey seaside resort.

The Meruelo Group of Downey, Calif., plans to close the deal by May 31. It is the lowest price ever paid for a casino in Atlantic City.

The company, which counts construction, engineering, real estate, food service and private equity among its businesses, also owns the Grand Sierra Resort and casino in Reno, Nevada.

Trump Plaza, which cost $210 million to build, opened in May 1984 as one of Donald Trump's pet projects. The real estate mogul has since limited his dealings in Atlantic City.

The sale leaves the company he once ran, Trump Entertainment Resorts, with just one casino, the Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort. The company sold the former Trump Marina to a Texas company that rebranded it as the new Golden Nugget in 2011.

Trump Plaza is one of the first casinos many visitors to Atlantic City see. It sits at the foot of the Atlantic City Expressway on the Boardwalk, directly next to Boardwalk Hall, and sometimes markets itself as being in "the center of it all."

It stands 39 stories over the Boardwalk, and has 906 hotel rooms, ranking it among the smallest of the city's 12 casinos, the most successful of which have 2,000 or more rooms apiece.

Trump Plaza has struggled mightily in recent years, despite its central location. It has become the worst-performing casino in town in terms of casino revenue. Last month, Trump Plaza took in less than $4.9 million, a decline of more than 40 percent from a year ago.

For all of last year, Trump Plaza won just over $102 million from gamblers — or about what the city's top casino, the Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa, wins in a good two months. Trump Plaza's winnings for 2012 were down 25 percent from 2011.

For the third quarter of last year, the most recent period for which statistics are available, Trump Plaza had a $2.35 million gross operating profit, down nearly 34 percent from the same period in 2011.

The sale price was also consistent with the fire-sale prices casinos have been going for lately in Atlantic City. Resorts Casino Hotel sold for $31.5 million in Dec. 2010. Trump Marina Hotel Casino fetched $38 million when it was sold in May 2011 and became the Golden Nugget.

Billionaire Carl Icahn bought the Tropicana Casino and resort out of bankruptcy court for $200 million worth of deeply discounted debt; the casino originally went on the market for about $1 billion when its former owners lost their casino license.

And The Atlantic City Club Casino Hotel is being bought by the parent company of the PokerStars website site for an as-yet undisclosed sum, which is expected to be a fraction of the $513 million its owners paid for it in 2005.

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#67939 - 04/24/13 06:14 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: tradjunkie]
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Yep, good thing the largest employer in this community is financially struggling:

http://m.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/br...4.html?mode=jqm

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#67940 - 04/24/13 06:42 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: tradjunkie]
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So TJ, are you saying a bake sale would have saved Trump's casinos?

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#67941 - 04/24/13 07:52 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
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I pray the Preserve is as rich as Kent thinks it is.
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#67942 - 04/24/13 09:23 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: SethG]
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$15.1 million net worth according to their most recent Form 990. They are valuing the land at approx $6,000 per acre below market price, so their real net worth is more like $54 million.

They need a bake sale for sure.

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#67944 - 04/25/13 10:51 AM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
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Some people enjoy raising money for and giving to the Preserve. Why be a killjoy?
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#67947 - 04/25/13 01:16 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: oenophore]
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sometimes its a bit harder not to be a killjoy when you are a local and have kids in school. unfortunate but trueish, i absoultely rely on and cherish the preserve, but wish sometimes they could seem a bit more inclusive of the local community somehow.

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#67948 - 04/25/13 01:17 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
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I think a bake sale would have more impact at a smaller organization than Trump Casinos. For example, at the Mohonk Preserve.

Besides, all that fundraising would only go to give the Preserve more dollars to buy out landowners on the ridge who complain the Preserve didn't offer enough money.

Maybe we should starve the Preserve of funds, so those landowners can't get better offers from the Preserve. After all, we wouldn't want anybody outbidding my offer to pay $38/acre for unbuildable cliff and talus along the ridge.

Kent, do you support any organizations with balance sheets larger than the Preserve's? ($15mm or more in total assets)
For example, your alma mater? local hospitals? The Red Cross? Brooklyn Botanical Garden? The United Way? The Girl Scouts? Or are all those fat-cat organizations symptomatic of the failure of the proletariat to stop the accumulation of assets in places where people believe them to be of most value?

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#67951 - 04/25/13 11:13 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: tradjunkie]
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"...but wish sometimes they could seem a bit more inclusive of the local community somehow."

The MP supports many of the community festivals and events, and places advertisements in many of the local publications. One could say they are doing this looking for a return on investment, but I would not be so sure of that. If someone thinks that IS the case, then maybe that someone also thinks the reason Rick Gottlieb does the same, and provides slideshows and the swap meet is because he is looking to get a return on the investment.

The MP also sends free access passes(I forget whether it is a one-day or a one-month pass) to local resident who do not have memberships. While it is very likely that this IS intended to provide a taste in the hopes they will return as a member, it's still a very nice thing to do. The trailhead people are not told to give any sort of "sell" to the folks who come in with those passes.

Fiduciary responsibility is a tricky thing, and no doubt if the preserve were funding - oh I don't know - free bus service/access after school to the preserve for students - there are those who would say it is an abuse of funds being donated to them(and that it is being done for ulterior, and sinister, reasons)....

Some times, a person (or organization) is damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and it seems the MP gets more that it's fair share of damnation.

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#67955 - 04/26/13 02:43 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: TerrieM]
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i dont consider marketing and advertizing community inclusion terrie. inviting people into their shop for an awesome slideshow is cool and fun but much different than entering a schoolroom, state fair, farmers market, etc like i see cornell cooperative, the DEC and 4H doing. like i say the preserve rules but feel like they could do more to include a larger community, not just climbing community.

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#67957 - 04/26/13 11:26 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: crimpy]
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Originally Posted By: crimpy
like i say the preserve rules but feel like they could do more to include a larger community, not just climbing community.


Have you ever looked at their calendar of events?

BTW, thanks to generous donors, I'm almost at the $2,000 mark!
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#67963 - 04/29/13 12:58 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Mim]
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cornell cooperative was at earth day in new paltz. suprised that the bruderhof were not giving away free food again. was a nice event. Read on mohonks calendar of events that free monthly passes were givin out to ulster county residents this past weekend.that would have been a hit at earth day!

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#67967 - 04/29/13 03:42 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: crimpy]
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Trump and MP do have some similarity, which is that you need cash to function. All the land holdings in the world makes your net worth look good but you still can't operate without cash, hence the sell-offs by Trump.

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#67969 - 04/29/13 06:17 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: chip]
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crimpy - sounds like you are itching to volunteer! Those sorts of events are dependent on volunteers to man the booths, as you probably know. You're right about that event being a great fit...

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#67970 - 04/29/13 06:41 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: TerrieM]
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you are right terrie, i would volunteer for something like that! dont mean to sound like a grump. just feeling frustrated that many uninterested parents might not introduce their kids to the wonders of the gunks, a booth at an event like that may help.

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#67978 - 04/30/13 10:58 AM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: tradjunkie]
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Originally Posted By: tradjunkie


Kent, do you support any organizations with balance sheets larger than the Preserve's? ($15mm or more in total assets)


It depends of course. But generally, if after a little background review it looks like the organization is disrespectful and dishonorable, if deception is common practice in their interactions with others, then no.

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#68034 - 05/07/13 04:28 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Mim]
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Rock the Ridge raised over $100,000 for the Mohonk Preserve!

I did the course just shy of 16 hrs (walked mostly). It was a remarkably beautiful day - and to walk and see the multiple view points and the Ridge in all its glory was absolutely memorable.

Thanks to all the donors!
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#68042 - 05/08/13 02:20 AM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Mim]
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wow - That's fantastic!

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#68043 - 05/08/13 03:51 AM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: TerrieM]
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Good show Mim!
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#68048 - 05/08/13 06:44 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: SethG]
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Way to go, Mim. I enjoyed the photos sent out by the non-profit group of you and others. I am tempted to say it looks like fun, but there is no way all of it was. Still, a great way to enjoy ALL of the preserve.

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