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#67942 - 04/24/13 09:23 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: SethG]
Kent Offline
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Registered: 01/21/00
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$15.1 million net worth according to their most recent Form 990. They are valuing the land at approx $6,000 per acre below market price, so their real net worth is more like $54 million.

They need a bake sale for sure.

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#67944 - 04/25/13 10:51 AM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
oenophore Online   confused
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Registered: 09/24/01
Posts: 5968
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Some people enjoy raising money for and giving to the Preserve. Why be a killjoy?
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#67947 - 04/25/13 01:16 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: oenophore]
crimpy Offline
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Registered: 07/02/11
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Loc: Wawarsing
sometimes its a bit harder not to be a killjoy when you are a local and have kids in school. unfortunate but trueish, i absoultely rely on and cherish the preserve, but wish sometimes they could seem a bit more inclusive of the local community somehow.

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#67948 - 04/25/13 01:17 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Kent]
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I think a bake sale would have more impact at a smaller organization than Trump Casinos. For example, at the Mohonk Preserve.

Besides, all that fundraising would only go to give the Preserve more dollars to buy out landowners on the ridge who complain the Preserve didn't offer enough money.

Maybe we should starve the Preserve of funds, so those landowners can't get better offers from the Preserve. After all, we wouldn't want anybody outbidding my offer to pay $38/acre for unbuildable cliff and talus along the ridge.

Kent, do you support any organizations with balance sheets larger than the Preserve's? ($15mm or more in total assets)
For example, your alma mater? local hospitals? The Red Cross? Brooklyn Botanical Garden? The United Way? The Girl Scouts? Or are all those fat-cat organizations symptomatic of the failure of the proletariat to stop the accumulation of assets in places where people believe them to be of most value?

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#67951 - 04/25/13 11:13 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: tradjunkie]
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"...but wish sometimes they could seem a bit more inclusive of the local community somehow."

The MP supports many of the community festivals and events, and places advertisements in many of the local publications. One could say they are doing this looking for a return on investment, but I would not be so sure of that. If someone thinks that IS the case, then maybe that someone also thinks the reason Rick Gottlieb does the same, and provides slideshows and the swap meet is because he is looking to get a return on the investment.

The MP also sends free access passes(I forget whether it is a one-day or a one-month pass) to local resident who do not have memberships. While it is very likely that this IS intended to provide a taste in the hopes they will return as a member, it's still a very nice thing to do. The trailhead people are not told to give any sort of "sell" to the folks who come in with those passes.

Fiduciary responsibility is a tricky thing, and no doubt if the preserve were funding - oh I don't know - free bus service/access after school to the preserve for students - there are those who would say it is an abuse of funds being donated to them(and that it is being done for ulterior, and sinister, reasons)....

Some times, a person (or organization) is damned if they do, and damned if they don't, and it seems the MP gets more that it's fair share of damnation.

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#67955 - 04/26/13 02:43 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: TerrieM]
crimpy Offline
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Loc: Wawarsing
i dont consider marketing and advertizing community inclusion terrie. inviting people into their shop for an awesome slideshow is cool and fun but much different than entering a schoolroom, state fair, farmers market, etc like i see cornell cooperative, the DEC and 4H doing. like i say the preserve rules but feel like they could do more to include a larger community, not just climbing community.

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#67957 - 04/26/13 11:26 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: crimpy]
Mim Offline
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Registered: 01/27/00
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Loc: Gunks
Originally Posted By: crimpy
like i say the preserve rules but feel like they could do more to include a larger community, not just climbing community.


Have you ever looked at their calendar of events?

BTW, thanks to generous donors, I'm almost at the $2,000 mark!
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#67963 - 04/29/13 12:58 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: Mim]
crimpy Offline
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Registered: 07/02/11
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Loc: Wawarsing
cornell cooperative was at earth day in new paltz. suprised that the bruderhof were not giving away free food again. was a nice event. Read on mohonks calendar of events that free monthly passes were givin out to ulster county residents this past weekend.that would have been a hit at earth day!

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#67967 - 04/29/13 03:42 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: crimpy]
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Registered: 10/06/01
Posts: 2676
Loc: Sittin' Pretty in Fat City
Trump and MP do have some similarity, which is that you need cash to function. All the land holdings in the world makes your net worth look good but you still can't operate without cash, hence the sell-offs by Trump.

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#67969 - 04/29/13 06:17 PM Re: $10 to spare for a good cause [Re: chip]
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crimpy - sounds like you are itching to volunteer! Those sorts of events are dependent on volunteers to man the booths, as you probably know. You're right about that event being a great fit...

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