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#68717 - 09/04/13 06:58 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: Kent]
TerrieM Online   content
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Again, you are lumping SOME in with the masses.... sheesh!

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#68718 - 09/04/13 06:59 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: Kent]
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Kent-you high jacked this thread. Stop.

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#68719 - 09/04/13 07:03 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: tallgirlnyc]
Kent Offline
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The discussion seems to validly include topics climbers might need a little education on. How is that hijacking the thread?

Edited to add:

And Terrie, I am no more lumping than you are. Or are you suggesting that all climbers need education about wilderness etiquette, leave no trace, trail erosion, littering, etc.?


Edited by Kent (09/04/13 07:09 PM)

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#68720 - 09/04/13 07:22 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: Kent]
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You have beaten the trespassing in the nears into the proverbial ground.

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#68721 - 09/04/13 07:23 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: tallgirlnyc]
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And when climbers stop trespassing I will stop beating that proverbial horse.

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#68722 - 09/04/13 08:59 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: Kent]
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Originally Posted By: Kent
Over the years, statements have been made here on gunks.com by climbers about their willingness to trespass in the Nears.

It's easy to have courage and bravado from behind an anonymous keyboard.

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#68725 - 09/04/13 09:36 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: retroscree]
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"...Or are you suggesting that all climbers need education about wilderness etiquette, leave no trace, trail erosion, littering, etc.?"


Ummm, no? My suggestion was that the Gumby's would in most cases find decent, respectful climbers who they would wave hello and maybe stop and chat conversationally; that when they came across the occasional one who didn't get the littering, erosion, etc. thing, that was the one they'd talk to about that topic.

I laid that out in my original post, as you can easily see if you take the time to review.

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#68728 - 09/04/13 10:14 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: retroscree]
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Originally Posted By: retroscree

It's easy to have courage and bravado from behind an anonymous keyboard.


True. Some of the blusterers here online have not been anonymous though. And offline I still stay in touch with a fair number of climbers and the feedback I get is the closure is widely ignored. Terrie is the only climber who seems to be of the opinion that all but a few respect the Nears closure.

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#68729 - 09/04/13 10:17 PM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: TerrieM]
Kent Offline
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Originally Posted By: TerrieM
My suggestion was that the Gumby's would in most cases find decent, respectful climbers who they would wave hello and maybe stop and chat conversationally; that when they came across the occasional one who didn't get the littering, erosion, etc. thing, that was the one they'd talk to about that topic.


You seem to be saying Gumby's would be educating climbers about etiquette. Perhaps you'd like to revise your post.

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#68730 - 09/05/13 12:48 AM Re: Ranger Presence [Re: Kent]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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Originally Posted By: Kent

Both the Preserve and the GCC would be wise to educate their members about climbing on private property and use Access Fund guidelines as an example. Meaning, find out who owns the land you want to climb on. Ask for permission to use the land.


OK, I'll bite. Please tell me who owns the land at the Nears that is posted. I want their name(s). If I wish to ask for permission to cross their land, I'd certainly want to talk to them directly (as opposed to through a proxy or representative).

Mike

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