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#7278 - 05/08/03 05:28 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: CaptainNoPro]
Coppertone Offline
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Registered: 08/17/00
Posts: 1055
Loc: Newtown, CT
Personally I've never found much difference between a G and PG route. G is gear every where and PG is gear everywhere you need it. PG might actually be a little easier to climb as you dont' get overwhelmed by too many gear placements.

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#7279 - 05/08/03 05:31 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: Coppertone]
MarcC Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 07/10/00
Posts: 3532
As originally defined in the first guide to us PG,R, & X gear ratings:

G is gear everywhere.
PG is poor or no gear on sections that are at least two grades below the crux grade.
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#7280 - 05/08/03 06:14 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: MarcC]
Mike Rawdon Offline

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Registered: 11/29/99
Posts: 4276
Loc: Poughkeepsie
Another definition - I don't remember which guide it was in - is that PG can be ample gear that is "difficult to place".

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#7281 - 05/08/03 06:18 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: Mike Rawdon]
CaptainNoPro Offline
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Registered: 10/24/00
Posts: 228
Loc: Northern VT
I felt like classic was what I would consider PG. There was no gear for a while below the roof but the moves were in the 5.5 range so it was easy. Maria was definitely G.

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#7282 - 05/08/03 06:22 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: CaptainNoPro]
MurphysLaw Offline
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Registered: 03/12/02
Posts: 2308
Loc: Hudson Valley, NY
What? PG? Classic is almost a sport climb.

You can't go more than 6 feet between pins or nice pro placements.
That's G to me.
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#7283 - 05/08/03 06:23 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: CaptainNoPro]
nerdom Offline
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Registered: 09/07/01
Posts: 2483
Loc: Davis Sq., MA
Classic should probably be PG-13 because the pin at the crux move isn't gonna do shit for you if you blow it. You're looking at an ankle injury if you slip.
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#7284 - 05/08/03 06:24 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: nerdom]
CaptainNoPro Offline
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Registered: 10/24/00
Posts: 228
Loc: Northern VT
No. The last pin is a ways below the roof. Your going to take a good 15' fall if you come off standing below the roof even though it's extremely unlikely that you would given how easy it is.

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#7285 - 05/08/03 06:49 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: CaptainNoPro]
Coppertone Offline
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Registered: 08/17/00
Posts: 1055
Loc: Newtown, CT
You can get about 4 pieces between the last pin and the little overhang on Classic. If you trust an iffy hb offset off the deck you can do Classic without clipping any of the pins. It certainly makes the start a bit more exciting.

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#7286 - 05/08/03 07:36 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: Coppertone]
CrackBoy Offline
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Registered: 02/06/02
Posts: 2435
Loc: Republic of Davis
i remember getting all the gear i wanted on classic before and after the roof..no way PG or 13
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#7287 - 05/08/03 07:51 PM Re: A few not from Peters Kill [Re: CrackBoy]
nerdom Offline
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Registered: 09/07/01
Posts: 2483
Loc: Davis Sq., MA
the crux as I see it is the little mantel-ly move at the start. there is a pin that you clip just before making this move. if you slip (and it's pretty well worn from all the traffic), you go crash back onto the pile. This is common Gunks knowledge from other posts I've read. There is no other pro midway into that move; you just have to make the move which, once you do, you're stood up and placing all the gear you want. The potential for injury makes it PG-13. Not an issue if you're solid on 5.7, but potential problem if you're not.
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