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#8066 - 03/17/03 11:58 PM Re: going west [Re: MarcC]
Bolt_Skytop Offline
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Registered: 11/21/01
Posts: 422
Loc: New Paltz, New York
It was 1hr minimum and $1000 any part of an hour there after. I have to say the chicks getting this money were very hot. People did divide time up a husband and wife split a bill as did two brothers.
I also found out today the most famous and expensive brothel in Holland is called Yab Yum. Well no I know where that name came from

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#8067 - 03/18/03 12:31 AM Re: missoula/salt lake/bend [Re: yorick]
crackers Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3424
Loc: pdx
all three of the above offer extremely different living standards. Missoula is a tiny town in one of the most desolate places in the world, with a population of ~80,000. It is a very tight job market, with only two real companies that are hiring people-washington industries and the bus logistics company. If you move there after university it would be very hard to find a job because you lack the bro-down network. (unless you're already a rn...) The climbing has some excellent bits, but unfortunately lots of junk. Oh, and when winter comes for real, you is in for a bit of education.

salt lake is a sort of boom city. with a couple of million mormons and mexicans and a ton of other folk, its an actual city with actual businesses and a lot of different social circles and employment opportunities. housing is the same price or cheaper for better than missoula, and the climbing is better hands down.

the air quality in both of the above can range from total crap to quite nice in the winter, but missoula's is more generally crap. Both city's have good snowboarding terrain, but salt lake areas get more regular snow and have better lifts for the on-area terrain. In terms of music, both places are cultural backwaters (comparing them to nyc here), the difference being that in missoula that indy band is a bunch of friends from town and in salt lake you had to join DV8 to pay the $5 to get in to see the band making its way outta town.

bend is a place i am curious about. my snowboarder friends have all done a tour of duty in or around bend, and say its a nice town. Work is apparently tourism based and the town is very expensive for housing. But why not portland?

Do you know why its called jackson hole? because it is a hole. i hate the town, its true, but what can you say about the town that in the 2000 census had the highest boy:girl ratio in the 21-35 age group? Driggs is an okay town, but work? hmmm. you might get a job, you might not...

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#8068 - 03/19/03 03:02 PM Re: going west [Re: jj221]
Josh Offline
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Registered: 12/28/99
Posts: 109
Loc: Central PA for now...
don't go to bend! It's a horrible place and you will find nothing that interests you there!

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#8069 - 03/19/03 03:21 PM Re: going west [Re: Josh]
jj221 Offline
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Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 127
Loc: Morristown, NJ
And the Trapps still have 12 foot snow drifts at the base.

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#8070 - 03/19/03 07:11 PM Re: going west [Re: Bolt_Skytop]
LesterLeBlanc Offline
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Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 1916
Loc: Los Angeles
Bolt:

Had I not moved to LA and lived here for 9 years, I would have agreed with everything you wrote. As it is, I still agree with 80 percent of your complaints.

However, on closer inspection, LA has far more to offer.

Unfortunately, LA is not like New York wherein you can walk for 20 blocks and discover the city block by block. Even just living here for years will not guarantee you find anything worthwhile in LA. You really need to go out and find it ... and it really helps if you have a local to guide you.

Just as I found that there are some terrific places to eat and hang out in Vegas (off the strips and away from the casinos) it didn't surprise me that after living in Los Angeles a while that I began to discover great neighborhoods, stores and restaurants.

Next time you're in the area, drop me a line. I can help hook you up with great food, things to do and yes, excellent climbing!


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#8071 - 03/20/03 01:52 PM Re: going west [Re: LesterLeBlanc]
andrew Offline

Pooh-Bah

Registered: 11/15/99
Posts: 1816
Loc: Denver, CO
agreed lester - i didn't start enjoying LA until after living there for awhile, and especially after going out with friends who knew where to go. after that i loved it, and some of the climbing is really good. it does suck having to drive through all those suburbs - beautiful places like san bernardino, to get to jtree though. i would move to LA before i move back to NYC.

the climbing in salt lake flat out sucks compared to denver and the front range. the sport climbing is better if that is where you priority is, but the trad climbing is a shadow of eldo, lumpy ridge, south platte, vedauwoo, etc. it is two hours closer to moab though, and closer than that to the san rafael swell. if it didn't have so damn many mormons, i might consider living there for the proximity to the desert, but as it is i'll endure my commute from denver.

denver/boulder is basically ideal. world class trad, bouldering, and alpine on really diverse rock. ok sport, decent aid, and terribly crowded though good ice. quick drive to a lot of places. sort of a cultural backwater, but downright cosmopolitan compared to salt lake. the colorado symphony is really quite good, there are some decent places to hear jazz, and the full complement of touring acts come through. after 2.5 years here i have finally found enough good restaurants to keep me from pining for new york at dinner time, but the good places are not always easy to find. i can't imagine why people live here if they aren't climbers, but its good for me.
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#8072 - 03/24/03 07:32 PM Re: going west [Re: MarcC]
trad_rock Offline
journeyman

Registered: 11/06/01
Posts: 98
Loc: Portland, OR
Hey guys,
Thanks for all your input and support. Sorry it took so long for me to get back to everyone.
you guys raised a lot of interesting points and things for me to consider, esp Marc and Kathy. Right now I'm temping at these big time law firms, and it isnt really doing anything for me other than a paycheck. I mean, shuffling papers and photocopying all day isnt really the most interesting thing. I do know what I want to do eventually but I am not ready to do that yet. Thats why I want to move out West, to try a new lifestyle and really focus on my climbing and snowboarding. I was going to go out to visit a friend out in Bend, OR where she is a snowboard instructor at Mt. Bachelor, and she was gonna take me out to Smith Rock. however, she's outta there early April and I cant make it out then so I am gonna link up with her in Boulder.
the best thing is definitely to take a road trip and check out as many places as I can, getting a feel for the place. This was a problem until yesterday tho because I had no car and nobody to go with, but last night, a friend of mine said he wants to do the same. So we are hitting the road in june, in search of a new place that will welcome us city folk.
I think I am done with big cities for now, looking for smaller places, but not tiny.
Anyway, I'll keep you guys posted and thanks for all the input, it gave me a lot to reflect upon.
Cheers,

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#8073 - 11/08/04 06:29 PM I did it! [Re: trad_rock]
trad_rock Offline
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Registered: 11/06/01
Posts: 98
Loc: Portland, OR
Finally got out of NYC and am now living in Bend Oregon. Drove out in about a week and a half ago and I have 2 part time jobs, one up at Mt Bachelor and another at a gear shop in town. Been out climbing at Smith Rocks a bunch already so it has been good.
Thanks for all your help, input and support and if anyone is going to be out here in this area, definitely give me a shout, it would be great to climb with some Gunkies out here. Hope all is well out on the East Coast.
Cheers,
Jason

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#8074 - 11/08/04 06:58 PM Re: I did it! [Re: trad_rock]
andrew Offline

Pooh-Bah

Registered: 11/15/99
Posts: 1816
Loc: Denver, CO
this thread is funny to see. after trash talking SLC so much, now i live here. the trad climbing is a little better than i made it out to be, but still not nearly as good as the front range though it certainly is more convenient. skiing makes a big difference to me - i didn't ski the last time i posted but now i like to ski better than i like to climb so salt lake is as good as it gets.
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