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#9809 - 09/16/03 06:02 PM Re: ST [Re: empicard]
pedestrian Offline
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Registered: 08/05/02
Posts: 2244
Loc: a heavily fortified bunker!
That's true, but they also stated that A5 was a "theoretical" grade, equivalent to A4 but with a belay that won't hold. Theoretical means that it isn't used in practice because typically people will bolt the belays.

I've heard stories of people taking 300-footers on continuously overhanging pitches in the valley and living to tell the tale...

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#9810 - 09/16/03 06:12 PM Re: ST [Re: pedestrian]
MarcC Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 07/10/00
Posts: 3532
Quote:

That's true, but they also stated that A5 was a "theoretical" grade, equivalent to A4 but with a belay that won't hold.




Wouldn't be the first time that Freedom of the Hills was a bit behind the curve!

At one point in history, the aid rating was based solely on the length of the potential fall, with little or no consideration of the landing zone.
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#9811 - 09/16/03 06:49 PM Un-freed Aid Routes? [Re: paborden]
Dizzy Offline
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Registered: 12/23/99
Posts: 2177
Loc: Berkshires, MA and Ahlington, ...
Isn't the title redundant?

Now going,
Dizz
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#9812 - 09/16/03 07:57 PM Re: ST [Re: MarcC]
pedestrian Offline
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Registered: 08/05/02
Posts: 2244
Loc: a heavily fortified bunker!
Quote:

Wouldn't be the first time that Freedom of the Hills was a bit behind the curve!





My bad... they actually listed A6 as the theoretical grade.

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#9813 - 09/22/03 02:29 PM Re: ST [Re: pedestrian]
RangerRob Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 06/06/00
Posts: 3765
Loc: Ulster County, NY
I've done SP twice, both times without the crux hook placement, and found it to be C2. It is most definitely not A3. You are never more than one piece away from a bomber placement. There's a line left of Kansas City that crosses Outer Space Direct on small seams and right facing corners. That felt harder as there were multiple tenuous small wires in a row above an ankle breaking ledge, followed by two consecutive hook moves. That felt C2+ to me.

RangerRob
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