MUA News

Posted by: calamity

MUA News - 06/11/08 02:54 PM

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The DEC will publish a plan later this year that will likely include its intention to close camping at the MUA, according to recent personal communication with DEC's New Paltz office.

The "Shawangunk Ridge Unit Management Plan" will be published in about six months. Assuming the American Alpine Club campground is deemed ready for development by then, the plan will formally outline the state's intention to close MUA concurrently with AAC opening.

The unit management plan, which includes various other DEC properties, had been expected this spring, but publication is said to have been delayed by several unrelated real estate acquisitions.

Pressure to close the MUA is coming from the Shawangunk Ridge Partnership, which includes particularly, the Mohonk Preserve and DEC and PIPC, as well as several other organizations.

I note that MP and PIPC are, of course, partners with the American Alpine Club in the new campground.

From the press release of 5/07 on the plan's development:

DEC is currently accepting written input during the development of the draft UMP. For further information or to submit written input, please contact: Ethan M. Pierce, Natural Resources Planner, NYS DEC Region 3, 21 South Putt Corners Road, New Paltz, NY 12561 or call (845) 256-3074.

The 5/07 DEC release, which doesn't include latest MUA news, is found here:

http://www.dec.ny.gov/press/33813.html

American Alpine Club release from 18 months ago:

http://www.americanalpineclub.org/pdfs/0...2shawangunks%22
Posted by: calamity

Re: MUA News - 06/27/08 05:44 PM

Don't all chime in at once.

A member of this forum tells me privately that my information is "incorrect."

He tells me there is no plan for MUA. He's absolutely right about that. The plan gets published in about six months from now, and currently does not exist.

All I posted was what a genuinely informed person at New Paltz DEC told me, openly, on the phone.

The new campground will suck about (mebbe let's say) $200,000 a year from the climbers who currently use the MUA, which was (obviously) acquired and is supported with taxes.

The new campground will also be closed for most of the year, and turn people away when the 50 sites are fully reserved. Will there be an 800 number? An annual lottery for reservations? Wet nurses on staff?
Posted by: Smike

Re: MUA News - 06/27/08 06:37 PM

All I’m at liberty to say regarding this (or want to) is write to the address above and make you presence known to the DEC that you wish that the DEC Multiple Use Area on Rt299 be continued as a campground.

As far as ‘Wet nurses on staff’ I have no comment. \:\/

Mike
Posted by: calamity

Re: MUA News - 06/29/08 01:36 AM

So is it fair to say that the "regulars" on this board don't rely in any way on camping in the Gunks?

I wonder how many people actually do...Too bad there is no simple way to reach them....
Posted by: Dillbag

Re: MUA News - 06/29/08 12:50 PM

Perhaps the GCC or another group, could set up a polling station at the bridge a couple mornings...

That would be fairly simple, and also could be used as a membership drive...
Posted by: Smike

Re: MUA News - 06/29/08 04:05 PM

 Originally Posted By: calamity
So is it fair to say that the "regulars" on this board don't rely in any way on camping in the Gunks?

I wonder how many people actually do...Too bad there is no simple way to reach them....



I used the MUA for many years, I don't anymore, but I fully support it to remain open to camping.
Posted by: MarcC

Re: MUA News - 06/29/08 05:35 PM

 Originally Posted By: Smike
 Originally Posted By: calamity
So is it fair to say that the "regulars" on this board don't rely in any way on camping in the Gunks?

I wonder how many people actually do...Too bad there is no simple way to reach them....



I used the MUA for many years, I don't anymore, but I fully support it to remain open to camping.

I don't rely on camping in the Gunks because
1. long time partners and friends now have a house there
2. I moved to Utah in late 2000 and haven't been back since

When I was climbing in the Gunks, I never used the MUA - a noisy, garbage filled rat hole with drum circles until 4am at the time - I car camped on the Wawarsing Turnpike along with everyone else until it became Visitor Center and day parking. By then my friends had their house out near Tilson Lake.

That said, I fully support the MUA remaining open to camping. Having a free camping area was critical to my development as a climber while I was in college. I suspect even more so now with the prospect of $5/gal gas.
Posted by: GOclimb

Re: MUA News - 06/29/08 07:12 PM

 Originally Posted By: calamity
So is it fair to say that the "regulars" on this board don't rely in any way on camping in the Gunks?

I wonder how many people actually do...Too bad there is no simple way to reach them....


I do, but I'm moving to CO in August, so while I'll support them, it's somebody else's fight to lead.

GO
Posted by: calamity

Re: MUA News - 07/03/08 06:27 AM

Don't you find it odd that Gunks Climbing Coalition is so silent on this issue?

It's such a glaring opportunity for them to gain long-term credibility and membership, and the timing is so ripe.

Yet one hears nothing.

Same from the "Access Fund" local representative. Perhaps an analogous and certainly unfortunate state of affairs.

MUA users have nobody to represent their interests, which are about to be trampled in the dirt, by a formidable array of political groups including the DEC, the Mohonk Preserve, the American Alpine Club, et alia.


Posted by: chip

Re: MUA News - 07/03/08 01:58 PM

I can't speak for the GCC, but sometimes you need to pick your battles. This may or may not be a change that can be influenced by public opinion. Keep in mind that these are volunteers who are trying to act in everyones best interest while doing it on time they would rather spend climbing or with family. I have been in several positions, such as liason to the Olympic Committee, where I had no support, no chance of changing anything, and got to pay for all of my expenses out of my pocket. I can't blame anyone in that position for any effort they may or may not expend.
That said, I enjoy crashing in the MUA at times but usually during the colder months when few others are there.
Posted by: Terrie

Re: MUA News - 07/03/08 03:00 PM

No, I don't find it odd. But I do think that, as I have suggested on other forums, you seemed to feel an urge to be an activist for this cause. That's great - but it will take a lot more than a few postings on a website to further your cause. It's YOU who feels strongly and so it is YOU who must take action.

Have you made efforts to contact any of the people who represent those who you say have remained silent? Putting up a post on a discussion forum is a pretty passive effort, so far as activism is concerned.
Posted by: Julie

Re: MUA News - 07/03/08 03:54 PM

 Originally Posted By: chip
I can't speak for the GCC, but sometimes you need to pick your battles.


Couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted by: calamity

Re: MUA News - 07/04/08 06:20 AM

GCC has some potential to benefit all Gunks climbers over the long term.

Its credibility and effectiveness could gain from higher membership.

The GCC has 100+ potential members waiting for them at MUA every weekend evening this summer at MUA. The total number is perhaps in the thousands.

Obviously there are political and strategic issues here that are simply beyond our ken.

Calling Karl Rove!!!


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Posted by: nerdom

Re: MUA News - 07/07/08 04:35 PM

Late to the party, but I for one would hate to see the MUA closed to camping. Legions of climbers from near and far have been camping there for as long as I've been going to the Gunks (8+ years or so). It would be an utter shame to lose it. And for what? Maybe we need to ask ourselves that? Could it be because of the private dwelling that was put right behind the area a few years back? And if the MUA is closed, what impact will that have on that gentleman's property value? I would hazard a guess that this person is politically connected and stands to benefit greatly from the MUA's closure.

This I know - it is FAR easier to prevent a closure than it would be to re-open it after it's closed.

I know the GCC ain't no SCC (they've had an amazing string of successes), but this seems like a very winnable battle should they devote some resources to it. Pick your battles, my ass. I and many others I know would be far more likely to continue camping at the MUA than climbing some remote 40-foot cliff in Minnewaska. I would be happy to devote some money to the GCC for the MUA cause. If they don't take it up, then I won't support the GCC in the future.
Posted by: Coppertone

Re: MUA News - 07/07/08 04:58 PM

Close it down and send them all off the the Yogi Bear Campground.
Posted by: Bolt_Skytop

Re: MUA News - 07/07/08 09:09 PM

Yo, Evan and I stayed at Yogi Bear Campground one night 7 years ago. It was awesome. Flat soft grass, level spots, clean bathrooms, hot showers, and BooBoo greeting our hungover asses in the morning. Like I said awesome!
Posted by: Coppertone

Re: MUA News - 07/07/08 09:19 PM

 Originally Posted By: Bolt_Skytop
Yo, Evan and I stayed at Yogi Bear Campground one night 7 years ago. It was awesome. Flat soft grass, level spots, clean bathrooms, hot showers, and BooBoo greeting our hungover asses in the morning. Like I said awesome!


Did BooBoo try and get into your food or did you have a bear canister.

Posted by: Smike

Re: MUA News - 07/07/08 09:19 PM

 Originally Posted By: Bolt_Skytop
Yo, Evan and I stayed at Yogi Bear Campground one night 7 years ago. It was awesome. Flat soft grass, level spots, clean bathrooms, hot showers, and BooBoo greeting our hungover asses in the morning. Like I said awesome!


Ya all for a measly $40 clams a night.
Posted by: Dillbag

Re: MUA News - 07/07/08 10:42 PM

 Originally Posted By: Bolt_Skytop
BooBoo greeting our...asses in the morning.


Ummm... is the awkwardness of this experience what prompted you never to return over 7 years?
Posted by: empicard

Re: MUA News - 07/08/08 10:08 AM

Posted by: d-elvis

Re: MUA News - 07/08/08 12:41 PM

Special Olympics?
Posted by: chip

Re: MUA News - 07/08/08 01:58 PM

Er, that would be Yogi. That is one heck of a photo and will be priceless in another 20 years. At the right ages, a visit from Yogi would have been worth every penny to see my kids posing for the photo op.
Posted by: Terrie

Re: MUA News - 07/08/08 02:58 PM

No kidding! I would have grabbed my cooler and asked Yogi to help set up a stop action photo, with me giving chase as he races away, clutching his hat with one hand and the cooler in the other, looking back to see how much distance he's got on me!

Keep in mind for future reference that oftentimes these tourist attraction "personalities" would give anything to let the day go by faster. They're usually totally willing to play along at least to some extent.
Posted by: Doug

Re: MUA News - 07/15/08 04:59 PM

I've only ever camped at the MUA. I'm no local, but I am there at least a few extended weekends per year for the last couple of years. I'd like to see it remain an option as well. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be interested in another camping option, particularly for the noisier / louder periods. And I could talk some more potential partners into going if there were an available shower nearby...

With as crowded as it gets, particularly in busy periods, having both would be great. Especially if the AAC one would only be seasonal.

(I didn't comment on slime since I've never used it)