there is no spin that I can see. your caustic remark, was not appropriate and not appreciated. it is typical of your inane and small minded attacks which obviously are the result of you sitting around with time on your hands and nothing better to do.
First, if you don't want your posts or your opinions to be challenged, don't post them on an open discussion forum. That you don't see spin reflects you're biased perspective. Another perspective might hold there is a lot of spin in the line I quoted up-thread, considering the number of climbers who feel as though they are entitled to climb on private land, and how little the GCC and The Access Fund have done to foster a respectful relationship between climbers and private landowners.
and, since you bring it up, I am no longer chair of the GCC. we have some new blood taking over, and they will do an excellent job of continuing the organization's tradition of service. I am no longer the AF representative, the site is not updated.
That you have stepped down from being chair, just one year into your current two-year term, is news. Why isn't this posted anywhere? Who is the new chair? Why is the climbing community so often kept in the dark by the organization that represents them? Regarding traditions, hopefully any new blood on the board won't continue the tradition of not speaking with landowners in the Nears, Bayards, and at Millbrook.
I'm sure that you will continue jeering from the sidelines, but know that has never distracted the GCC from our mission.
It's interesting that you consider valid questions and commentary jeers. For example, just what is the GCC's Mission? I've asked previously how an organization started by trad climbers for trad climbing access, specifically Skytop access, has become about raising money to give to the Preserve so they can afford to manage a bouldering area. Bouldering seems great, but it also seems as though the GCC mission has crept a great deal since its inception.
I posted this thread with the link because it is the result of a lot of personal time and hard work for me and our other members over the last 8 years, and it is with a good sense of closure that I do so.
That's great Chris but it's unfortunate however, for all involved, that a lasting part of your legacy is also a broken relationship between some private landowners and the Mohonk Preserve, including some climbers. A broken relationship that has resulted in the closure of five pieces of land so far, resulting in 1700' of the Millbrook Ridge Trail being rerouted off private land, and 900' of climbable cliff face being closed to climbing, including the chunk in the Nears.
Lastly Chris, if you want to discus this or anything else in a respectful manner, I'm all for it. You're personal attacks, however, say much more about you than they do me, and also they only detract from the points you are trying to make.