Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading?

Posted by: Tai

Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/19/03 07:55 PM

Is there such a thing? I'd love to climb some of the stuff at the Trapps (up to about 5.7), but I don't lead - and neither do any of my current partners. I've heard that there's the Overcliff Carriageway, so that one can access some of the routes; however, after reading Swain's guide it looks as though the majority of the routes in my range are 1) more than one pitch and require either a leader or a rappel to even get to the anchor point, or 2) stop in the middle of the wall (see previous point).

Are these climbs only top-ropable with a top belay, then, and not as a sling-shot belay?

Any assistance would be very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

T
Posted by: strat

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/19/03 07:57 PM

Give this a try:

http://www.gunks.com/index.php?pageid=79&pagenum=1&smGroup=2&smID=5
Posted by: Tai

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/19/03 08:49 PM

Thanks!

I'd looked at that, before; I didn't want to have to rappel to set up anchors, but it looks like I'll get decent at it.

T
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/20/03 12:19 AM

Get the Williams guide if you already don't have it. Start at the begining of the trapps and you will have a pretty good selection of top rope routes with access from above. The brat through P-38 should give you some good options.

Enjoy.

Good luck on the weekend!....go mid week.

Toby

p.s. If you have the money get some cams for setting up the TR's the sooner you got those the easier it will be to ease into trad leading!
Posted by: Anonymous

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/20/03 12:17 PM

go to peter's kill
Posted by: nerdom

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/20/03 01:33 PM

There is no such thing as Peter's Kill. It's a myth . . .
Posted by: dalguard

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/20/03 03:00 PM

I thought Scary Area was next to Airy Area. How are you going to TR that from Double Chin? I'm much confused.
Posted by: scottie_c

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/20/03 05:43 PM

I would not suggest top roping double chin anyways
Posted by: LesterLeBlanc

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/20/03 07:53 PM

I think you need to look again at the link Strat posted. If you read it thoroughly it indicates many routes that are accessible for top-roping without needing to lead or rappel.

The most popular and easily accessibly TRing areas are: The Brat wall, the Dirty Gerdie pillar, and the Uberfall area.

Since these areas are so accessible and popular, you'll either want to get there VERY early on a weekend or go on a weekday.
Posted by: Jannette

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/25/03 02:41 PM

I've only been at Peter's Kill once. I saw they have rules that you can't use the trees for anchors. Are there enough gear placements at the top for anchors on most of the climbs?
Posted by: empicard

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/25/03 03:35 PM

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Are there enough gear placements at the top for anchors on most of the climbs?



I've never not done a climb because i was unable to build an anchor. some of the harder to set up TR's are now bolted.

Posted by: CrackBoy

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/25/03 03:48 PM

you can pretty much set up anything. if you have a lot of webbing or some static line i would definitly bring it along since (at least when i was there) some of the best routes didnt have bolts,(not that you needed them but alot of times the other option is to run an anchor back 15 feet)
Posted by: Tai

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/25/03 05:08 PM

Quote:

I've only been at Peter's Kill once. I saw they have rules that you can't use the trees for anchors. Are there enough gear placements at the top for anchors on most of the climbs?




Almost correct. You're not supposed to anchor off the pitch pines (they're protected), but any other tree is fair game. You do occasionally have to get creative with anchors, though; it helps if you're carrying 3/8" static line and a couple of 20' webbing runners, in addition to the usual cordalette/passive pro/active pro/etc.

T
Posted by: empicard

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/25/03 05:13 PM

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You're not supposed to anchor off the pitch pines (they're protected), but any other tree is fair game



i've never seen that specifically mentioned, just no using trees in general.
Posted by: Tai

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 08/25/03 07:50 PM

Quote:

Quote:

You're not supposed to anchor off the pitch pines (they're protected), but any other tree is fair game



i've never seen that specifically mentioned, just no using trees in general.




Heard that from a couple of rangers, and also (if I remember correctly) from our own Mike Rawdon. I could, of course, be wrong. *shrug* In which case, it just got a LOT more interesting to build anchors out there.

T
Posted by: Bolt_Skytop

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 09/01/03 07:44 PM

Just bring a static line or long webbing and you can always find gear. Kiling the trees was never necessary. Most are bolted now anyhow.
Posted by: Mike Rawdon

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 09/01/03 11:21 PM

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i've never seen that specifically mentioned, just no using trees in general.




Good question - I'll have to see where exactly this is posted. It is NOT on the waiver that must be signed annually.

That waiver BTW is a masterpiece of government doublespeak: "The *use* of bolts and pitons are (sic) strictly prohibited" (emphasis mine). Now who do you think installed those stainless anchor bolts if not the state? They say we can't use them?

And this: "Minnewaska State Park...does not approve qualifications or certify instructors in any manner" yet they dictate which CPR course (for example) a guide must take and in at least one instance I am aware of) told a guide that he would not be allowed to work at Peters Kill because his CPR credentials did not meet Minnewaska standards.

(rant OFF)
Posted by: strat

Re: Toprope routes at The Trapps - without leading? - 09/02/03 01:09 AM

And to add to this entire rigamorole (sp?), I was told by a Ranger at Peter's Kill, that, the use of trees, is NOT, in fact, prohibited, but in the interest of conservation it is strongle advised that trees not be used as anchors.

I have grown fairly intimate with the area this season and have never even thought about using a tree for an anchor. And I have been able to construct all the anchors I've needed with a "standard" gunks rack. No extra mile long static or webbing or anything else.

I was also recently told by a ranger that the bolts that are currently in place have been placed by local guide services so as the PIPC is not liable for the bolts.